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[luly]

بنات من جد حصه
مالها واجباااتها كتيره كدا ليه

بعدين في سؤال يحوووس ويحوووس في راسي
الحين المترم للشعر كان من 25 او 20 ما ادري بالضبط
الباقي وين بروووح لاااااااااايكون في البارتسيبيشن
يلعن ام الوهقه


نقوش s.angel pretty
ربنا يوفقكوم كتير كتير

الله يعدي هالترم على خير
قولو ااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااامين:s12:

ونبقا كولينا موزيعات

[نقوش جدار]

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة luly

بنات من جد حصه
مالها واجباااتها كتيره كدا ليه

بعدين في سؤال يحوووس ويحوووس في راسي
الحين المترم للشعر كان من 25 او 20 ما ادري بالضبط
الباقي وين بروووح لاااااااااايكون في البارتسيبيشن
يلعن ام الوهقه


نقوش s.angel pretty
ربنا يوفقكوم كتير كتير

الله يعدي هالترم على خير
قولو ااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااااامين:s12:

ونبقا كولينا موزيعات

المشآركه + الحضور من 20 ..
أعذريني أذآ صدمتك ..
بس هذآ الوآقع :t1:

[رحلة عمر]

Song It's a song by Suckling and it has a very quick rhyme and it is written in three stanzas.

Song by Sir John Suckling

Why so pale and wan fond lover?
Prithee why so pale?
Will, when looking well can't move her,
Looking ill prevail?
Prithee why so pale?

Why so dull and mute young sinner?
Prithee why so mute?
Will, when speaking well can't win her,
Saying nothing do't?
Prithee why so mute?

Quit, quit for shame, this will not move,
This cannot take her;
If of herself she will not love,
Nothing can make her;
The devil take her.

The 1st stanza:

Why so pale and wan fond lover?
Prithee why so pale?
Will, when looking well can't move her,
Looking ill prevail?
Prithee why so pale?

He is asking the lover why he's looking so pale and why he is sick and he's answering the question ….. is it because when you were healthy, you did not move your beloved, so you have to look ill in order to impress her. Of course because it's a song, we have repetition for example of /why so/ and using refrain. He is asking directly and there is answering, so this is a dramatic situation.

The 2nd stanza:

Why so dull and mute young sinner?
Prithee why so mute?
Will, when speaking well can't win her,
Saying nothing do't?
Prithee why so mute?

Why do you look gloomy and silent? They consider love to be a sin and that's why he called him young sinner. Of course this is not the true kind of love because at that time they were courtiers and they looked at love playfully.

Is it because when you were speaking ….. you couldn't win her love and that's why you're keeping silent now. Maybe this will win her and make her love you.
The 3rd stanza:

Quit, quit for shame, this will not move,
This cannot take her;
If of herself she will not love,
Nothing can make her;
The devil take her.

He says stop doing this because it's a shame for you and stop being silent and trying to look sick. This is shameful and this will not affect her.

These ways will not win her if she doesn't love you from her own self and you don't have to pretend to be sick or pretend to be silent. If she doesn't love you, nothing will make her love you.

If she doesn't love you, let the devil take her and let her go to hell. The last line shows the playfulness of Suckling. This is the schoolboy's obscenity and impoliteness. He is not showing him the way to win her love. If she doesn't love you just leave her and let her go to hell.

Of course this song is typical of the cavaliers it shows that frivolous and schoolboy's obscenity. He's not talking about serious love. Verse here is very light, very racy, very quick saving that if she doesn't do this leave her.

You can see the swinging movement ….. why are you doing so and so ….. is it because……. question and answer going and coming keeping moving but at the same time coming back to the same idea.

[رحلة عمر]

Song

Ask me no more where Jove bestows,
When June is past, the fading rose;
For in your beauty's orient deep
These flowers, as in their causes, sleep.

Ask me no more whither doth stray
The golden atoms of the day;
For in pure love heaven did prepare
Those powders to enrich your hair.

Ask me no more whither doth haste
The nightingale, when May is past;
For in your sweet, dividing throat
She winters, and keeps warm her note.

Ask me no more where those stars light,
That downwards fall in dead of night;
For in your eyes they sit, and there
Fixed become, as in their sphere.

Ask me no more if east or west
The phoenix builds her spicy nest;
For unto you at last she flies,
And in your fragrant bosom dies

You will see in this song that he is playful and he's showing his country house kind of poetry very playful and very entertaining. He is addressing lovers. He imagines that there is a lover who is pale or sick of love. We have a kind of dramatic approach here and that's why we have a direct question. Remember the kind of argumentative style questions and answers asking something and waiting for answers.
He is addressing this lover asking why do you look so pale and try to find an answer for the sickness or that paleness of this lover.

Is it because when you look strong and healthy you cannot influence your lover, so you have to look so pale to have an influence on her. It's a song about love and we have the same idea repeated in different stanzas he repeats it even the same expression

Ask me no more where Jove bestows,
When June is past, the fading rose;
For in your beauty's orient deep
These flowers, as in their causes, sleep.

By Jove is a way of swearing. Usually the color of the rose is either pink or red. He says when does the color of the rose fade?

Usually in spring roses flourish. May is the last month in spring and after it June comes which is the beginning of summer and in summer the flowers begin to fade.


He says that in June where does the color of the rose go? He said that these flowers after fading they sleep in his beloved’s face. It means that her face has the color of the rose. So it goes and stay in her cheeks.

Ask me no more whither doth stray
The golden atoms of the day;
For in pure love heaven did prepare
Those powders to enrich your hair.

Look in the rays of the sun, you see small atoms. Don't ask where do they go after the day ends. After the day light fades, it goes to his beloved’s hair. So her hair is golden, so he repeats the same idea saying that her hair is bright like the rays of the sun.

Ask me no more whither doth haste
The nightingale, when May is past;
For in your sweet, dividing throat
She winters, and keeps warm her note.

The nightingale is a kind of bird with a very sweet and beautiful voice, so now he's going to speak about their voice. So he says don't ask me where does the nightingale goes after May which is the time of the meeting of birds. When the season ends, we usually don't see the birds, so don't ask me where does that nightingale go. It goes to stay in her throat to get warm. So here he is describing her voice that she has a good voice or a beautiful voice like the nightingale. So he is repeating the same idea describing the beauty of his beloved.

Ask me no more where those stars light,
That downwards fall in dead of night;
For in your eyes they sit, and there
Fixed become, as in their sphere.

He is describing her eyes as shinning stars …… what happens after the night has gone? The stars disappear from the sky and her eye becomes the sphere of the stars and this is a scientific conceit taken from astrology.

Ask me no more if east or west
The phoenix builds her spicy nest;
For unto you at last she flies,
And in your fragrant bosom dies

The phoenix is a kind of imaginary bird, it's male and a female together, so it has the ability of being reborn again but not out of eggs but out of ashes of course this is mythical taken from mythology. It's not touched and it doesn't come out of the eggs, so it's not touched, it's like a virgin, so it's a symbol of purity and chastity.

He says don't ask me where it builds its nest in the east or in the west. At last it builds a nest in you, so you are the symbol of virtue, like this bird. It disappears in your bosom.

[رحلة عمر]

Compare between the ****************physical poets and the Cavaliers.

We noticed that all stanzas are describing the beauty of his beloved in the same manner. We have the same kind of questions repeated in all stanzas. Each time he gets an item which is going to describe.
1- We don't have deep meanings, it's direct and clear. It's a very light poem. But those cavaliers are poets, they do not just say simple poems but there must be something in their poetry that makes it good poetry. They are not speaking about something very deep but they have certain meanings in their poetry

2- We said that they are playful …. what is playful here in this poem? He is describing her physical beauty; this is what we said in the characteristics of the cavaliers. He's not describing her soul or how she behaves or what she really is. He is only describing her physical appearance and it is all temporary because the physical beauty doesn't stay forever.

3- Remember when we talked about Ben Jonson's poem Chairs, it was the same, so it was physical beauty - but before that when we took the ****************physical poets, they were interested in spiritual love, so this is a difference between the ****************physical poets and the cavaliers although they share some qualities. They are not as deep and philosophic as the ****************physical.

The whole poem is based on the idea that beauty does not stay forever but it is temporary. This is how he is playful. He is giving us examples of the beautiful things that has a very short life such as a rose that only flourishes during spring and not all spring but for only few days.

How many hours do the stars stay in the sky only during the night?

How many days does the nightingale sing?

All examples that he's giving are short and temporary.

There is also an influence of Spenser. The idea of swearing and using mythological references come from Spenser and the use of stanzas which have the same regular Rhyme. We don't have variation of stanzas.

[رحلة عمر]

Thomas Carew went to Italy and it means that he read the Italian literature and the Italian poetry and was influenced by it.

Why we consider him a cavalier?

He was influenced by Ben Jonson and he belongs to this school of the Sons of Ben the influence of Ben Jonson was in the neatness of style. We said about Ben Jonson that he was very neat and was very accurate in his choice of words, so the cavaliers are the same.

He wrote country house poems. When you have a country house, you go to it from time to time to enjoy yourself. This means that country house poems are poems that can be recited while people are enjoying time in a country house. It's a light kind of verse which is used for enjoyment.

All the cavaliers were not interested in the spiritual love but they were interested more in making fun and taking things lightly and they spoke about the physical kind of love more than the spiritual one.

They are very systematic, so every poet will choose for himself stanza forms that he will use to write his poetry. He does not use it in many stanza forms like John Donne for example but they were very precise.

He wrote elegies and he wrote different kinds of poetry. He used heroic couplets. Country house poetry means the light poetry which is mostly lyrics and full of songs. It's not serious but it's for enjoyment.

He was described as a brilliant wit and all the cavaliers depended upon their wits. He is considered second only to Herrick in his passion. He was a very passionate writer and most his poems were about love but light not serious. He did not have the wide range of topics.

He writes in a polished way. Remember that we said that Ben Jonson was mainly interested in the form. He was after perfection as you said especially perfection of form and style. And of course he is very accurate and this is something he took from Ben Jonson. His lyrical poetry was full of music and he was influenced by Ben Jonson who was influenced by John Donne. We said that Ben Jonson himself was influenced by John Donne and the ****************physical poetry. We have a poem called "A song" by Carew.

We said that he is a cavalier….. what is a cavalier?

They are a group of poets that formed school and they were influenced by Ben Jonson. What are the characteristics of their style and their school ….. what made them "cavaliers?

They are known as the courtiers of the King Charles the first. They are famous and they were called the sons of Ben because they used to meet with Ben Jonson sit together and discuss matters of poetry. They followed his example.

The spoke about poetry and contemporary literature and they believed that writing poetry is for enjoyment. They do not write it as a way of living. They were just writing for enjoyment because they were originally rich and that's why they wrote a certain kind of light poetry. And because they were courtiers, they were highly educated. At that time the educated person read classical works, so they were interested in the Latin. They took from those Latin classics the accuracy of form and the way of writing and what is known as the urban civilized wit.

As we said they were influenced by Ben Jonson who was influenced by Donne. So they were influenced by John Donne. They took from John Donne conceits and they derive them like him from scientific fields, philosophy and theology but they didn't use as many conceits as John Donne.

And we said that they took the best of John Donne and they combined it with the best of Ben Jonson and they added to both their elegant urban wit. They were influenced by Ben Jonson in his accuracy of form and they added to both of them their elegant wit. They were aristocrats, so they were writing in an elegant and aristocratic way of writing.

[ThE lEgEnD]

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ماشاء الله عليكـ رحله
دانتي قدعه وام القدعان كمان اي الكلام دوت روووووعه
يسلمووو خيتووو وحفظكـي الله ورعاكيــ
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[نقوش جدار]

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جعل يدك ماتمس النآر ..}~

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