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قديم 2012- 12- 29   #1391
طيرالحب
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الكلية: كلية الاداب
الدراسة: انتظام
التخصص: English literature
المستوى: خريج جامعي
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رد: last year......old plan group

حياة الكاتب قرااءة فقط مو معنا
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قديم 2012- 12- 29   #1392
heavy rain20
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مؤشر المستوى: 62
heavy rain20 will become famous soon enough
بيانات الطالب:
الكلية: كلية الاداب
الدراسة: انتظام
التخصص: انجليزي
المستوى: المستوى السادس
 الأوسمة و جوائز  بيانات الاتصال بالعضو  اخر مواضيع العضو
heavy rain20 غير متواجد حالياً
رد: last year......old plan group

هاي بنات ايش عليكم بكره اختبار خخخخ شاكه بعمري
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قديم 2012- 12- 29   #1393
betterbutter
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تاريخ التسجيل: Fri Nov 2012
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عدد الـنقـاط : 50
مؤشر المستوى: 0
betterbutter will become famous soon enough
بيانات الطالب:
الكلية: طالب جامعي
الدراسة: انتظام
التخصص: خريج
المستوى: المستوى السابع
 الأوسمة و جوائز  بيانات الاتصال بالعضو  اخر مواضيع العضو
betterbutter غير متواجد حالياً
رد: last year......old plan group

Q- Write on- "Death by Water" as being another variation on the theme of death and rebirth.
There are so many people having contact with the sea. There is a reference to Tristanund Isolde who is sitting, waiting for the coming of her beloved to the sea. This is one reference to water. It is the possibility of water that carries the symbol of fertility- possibility of rebirth. There is reference to rebirth as an act of fertility – a sign of fertility.
Relying on some sources in the poem, we can detect this theme in the poem, speaking of fertility- death and rebirth.
One of the books that Eliot relied on is "From Ritual to Romance"
Eliot admitted that most of the ideas, images are suggested by two books
"From Ritual to Romance" and" Holy Grail"
In " From Ritual to Romance" he said that Certain religious rituals had not died completely , but they crept into literature and continued to be present in literature under Christianity. the three deities- are related to different seasons- summer, winter, autumn- they stand for the cycle of life- death and rebirth, fertility, seasons- they stand for the death and rebirth of the land- rebirth= a sign of fertility= giving= production. Whenever we have the theme of death and rebirth, we have to remember these three deities= small gods. They are used by Eliot because he believed in the role of these three deities in the traditional literature. They are applicable to the situation in the waste land. They lack the spiritual – religious side of their life.
In Death by Water, there is the death of the sailor who is a typical character of the waste land. He is dead by – in water. It means that there is presence of fertility. The theme of fertility is still there. There is another creation of the theme of fertility. The [presence of water is a suggestion of fertility – possibility of rebirth.
The Phoenician sailor-, who is the dead person by water, is a typical character of the waste land. Spiritually, he is dead. He is blind and he has been taken by the cycle, the wheel of life in the whirlpool of life. Unless he manages to break this cycle, come to life again- that is possible, it is like death in life- he is dead in water= the source of life.
When we speak about Death by Water, we need to speak about the theme of fertility. It is suggested by the presence of water. Water means fertility. Water means life. This time, it is a source of death.
This man is spiritually dead. He is blind by his earthly desires. Unless, he turns to the spiritual side of life, he manages to, participant in the rebirth, regeneration, hew wont come to life. So, there is a possibility of fertility, reproduction. It is enough for us to think of water as a source of fertility.
In the story of Tristanund Isolde , to which he is referring , in the part of hyacinth girl, there is a reference for some one who is coming out of the sea. There is water; Isolde is waiting there by water- like the dead person- the Phoenician Sailor- in Death by Water – she is a lady waiting for her beloved to come back.
Here, we can not speak of any romantic idea because they are spiritually dead. They are disappointed, frustrated.
There is no romance. They are approaching the idea of having some kind of love relationship, but there is always frustration.
The waste land is a dead land.
With the hyacinth girl , there is frustration. With the lady in Game of Chess, there is frustrated love. There is the presence of hot water.
All these ideas are to make us think of fertility, of the possibility of some positive relation presence between the companions. Giving the girl a flower is a romantic action, but it ends with frustration. She is being left alone in the garden. She was left alone and frustrated.
In What the Thunder Said- though there is thunder, there is no sign of fertility. There is no presence of a woman who may suggest the presence of fertility.
Q- How far is the Waste Land a reflection of its age?
It is a waste, dead land. The whole situation – after the war- the political, social changes, the complete destruction of religion of that age- early 20th century western world- it is of utter destruction of life.
The people included in the poem are real people. The unreal city- not imagined- it is a real city. It is not being inhabited by real people. It is dead. People are dead. They are never aware of what was going on. They do not care.
There is the idea of being on a dead land. This land needs to be resurrected, coming to life again. There is still a possibility with the presence of the religious theme here and there- the spiritual. The voice in the second part in the first section, when there is an invitation to show something new that he has not seen ever- the red rock that gives no shelter- it is not the shadow against the sun. It is a spiritual shadow. There is the presence of the church that is never being noticed by people who are walking on the bridge of London. They are dead in a sense.
Eliot relied on" The Holy Grail" it is build on the story of king Arthur and his search for the Holy Grail of the last Supper. There is the presence of holiness, the theme of religion, the need to go back to religion. They will be resurrected only if they manage to find the Holy Grail. It is in the church and the church is being deserted. They are controlled by the feeling of frustration. They have suspicions about the present. They have fears. They do not trust the future. Because of all these things, they can not live. They could not reach to the church. The church has no windows.
There is this idea of depicting their real problem. They have cut off religion. After the war, they are martyrs, dying for the land. In the middle of the war, they come to the realization that al this killing and blood shed is nonsense, not logic. They come out of war with no faith.
It is not physical but spiritual death. It is the death of relationships, death of faith. They have lost beliefs in themselves, in others and in God. Their relation with God has been destroyed with the destruction of the land. This land is dead because of this loss of faith. Man is being destroyed.
There are people running on the Bridge of London, but they are empty from inside. They are dead. They are not able to recognize any body.
The fragmented pieces here and there of the story - in the poem- are a reflection of the age. It is a reflection of the fragmentary that people suffered at that time. The fragmentary language adds to the cut down, broken down, to the bits and pieces, a heaps of broken images. A heap of images is the exact word by which we can describe the Waste Land. As a poem, it is on ly a heap of broken images, here and there . when we put them together, we come with an image. This image is a reflection of a broken picture.
The languages -French- German- are used to universalize the poem . they reflect the theme of lack of communication. People do not speak the same language. They are unable to communicate. Using different languages, he wants to emphasize the difficulty, the impossibility of the waste landers to communicate. He wants to say that they do not have a common language. It is difficult for them to set one issue, to decide. If they are not able to speak one language, they will not be able to recreate their land. They are being scattered on the land, speaking fragmentary language.
V. WHAT THE THUNDER SAID
This is the last movement of the poem. It is one of the most important movements.
Thunder is a biblical reference. In the Bible, they say that God speak to people in thunder. It is may be a reference to the presence of water. But the thunder in the waste land is fertile. It is only a sound. It is sterile.
AFTER the torchlight red on sweaty faces

After the frosty silence in the gardens
After the agony in stony places
The shouting and the crying 325
Prison and place and reverberation
Of thunder of spring over distant mountains
He who was living is now dead
We who were living are now dying
With a little patience 330

The whole image is of death. It is reference to Christ.
The whole stanza is expressing agony, speaking of the act of crucifixion of Christ, killing, and its effect on the world.
Here, the waste landers' god is absent. They are living in chaos.
The whole stanza creates an atmosphere of death. They are alive, but spiritually speaking they are dead. Religion is not part of their life. They do not rely on religion to survive, to cure their suffering.
silence in the gardens

This is where Christ was crucified.
The whole stanza is reference to spiritual death. This is the death of Christ himself. He did not die natural death, he was killed. Severe action is being involved. This prepares us for the destruction of the modern man. Hard action is being involved. This is responsible for the coming destruction of the whole world. This refers to the agony of being in prison- of being deceived by a friend and brought to his end. It is reference to the absence of faith, of honest relationship. Christ's death is reference to the ultimate darkness the whole world is living in since his death.

Here is no water but only rock
Rock and no water and the sandy road
The road winding above among the mountains
Which are mountains of rock without water
If there were water we should stop and drink 335
Amongst the rock one cannot stop or think
Sweat is dry and feet are in the sand
If there were only water amongst the rock
Dead mountain mouth of carious teeth that cannot spit

It is rocky and there is no water. They are running all the time. They do not stop to contemplate on their life, to find a solution, to return for salvation.
Sweat of the Christ when he was crucified.
There is complete absence of water, of moisture from the waste land, not even the sweat. They remember the sweat of Christ. This is very painful to memorize.
The man standing on the rocks is not even enjoying a drop of sweat. There is utter dryness. There is no water. There is complete absence of any possibility of fertility. There is thunder, but there is no rain. Sweat of the Christ on the cross is remembered which is painful. It is another harsh and painful memory.
It is a place where there is the sound of thunder, dry rocks under the heat of sun. They can not even have sweat. There is thunder. The sky is falling on them. It is a painful image. There is no possibility of resurrection.
They are dying for a drop of water.
carious teeth= decayed, rotten

Here one can neither stand nor lie nor sit 340
There is not even silence in the mountains
But dry sterile thunder without rain
There is not even solitude in the mountains
But red sullen faces sneer and snarl
From doors of mud*****ed houses


Man is suspended- in between- lost his way. He is cut of the world around him. It is the situation of being unrest, suffering, and inability to settle down. Man can never lie or sit. There is not even silence because of the sound of the thunder which may destroy the mountain. The thunder can split the mountain. Even the blessing of silence is not there. The muddy houses are dry so that they *****ed. There is no water. The houses which are supposed to be places of protection, they are places of utter dryness and death.
If there were water 345
And no rock
If there were rock
And also water
And water
A spring 350
A pool among the rock

Rock has a spiritual reference, shelter, refuge.
If there were the sound of water only
Not the cicada
And dry grass singing
But sound of water over a rock 355
Where the hermit-thrush sings in the pine trees
Drip drop drip drop drop drop drop
But there is no water


Cicada= insect = grass hopper
The sound of cicada increases their wariness.
hermit-thrush= American little bird
He wished that the thrush would sing as its sound is like dripping water. There is complete thirst. The memory is there but it is painful. Here, it is not even there
Who is the third who walks always beside you?
When I count, there are only you and I together 360
But when I look ahead up the white road
There is always another one walking beside you
Gliding wrapt in a brown mantle, hooded
I do not know whether a man or a woman
—But who is that on the other side of you? 365


Here, the speaker is involved completely. He is not only a narrator. He is a character.
This third person is Christ himself- he is there, still around, waiting for them.
There are few words given by the thunder.
DR- What the Thunder Said-
the speaker's vision is of the decay and collapse of western civilization [Speaking of Christ's death is speaking about the death of all humanity] consequently, images of decay and sterility assume such nightmare proportion that to put them in orderly- well organized- blank verse would be entirely put of keeping with the chaotic image with which is movement abound .
In the absence of fertility themes, the water imagery has completely disappeared except as a symbol of memory and desire. This movement represents a recapitulation of the sterility theme. Taking up once again the dominant imagery of the second part of the first movement - dry red rock-. the feminine motif usually appears in conjunction with the fertility theme. It is here dissociated from this theme. It manifests itself in weird and sinister forms = either sex-or in the form of women who seem to be waiting over for the death of Christy. The masculine motif is maintained by the voice of the speaker who is masculine as well as by the illusion of Christ- another masculine, his apostle at the questing night- another masculine.
Thunder commonly intimates the arrival of rain. Eliot refers specially to the message of the thunder given in Brihadaranyaka - it is one of the books of Sanskrit- sacred to Hinduism . this is the language by which the thunder gives its words Dayadhvam- Datta- Damyata. = calling for man to sympathize with others, to be open to other man and to give-
Datta-= this is the thunder first command = to give. He can only reflect that he had been too prudent to surrender himself either to sexual lust or religious faith. The one who can not do so realizes that he is a lost soul playing for the water of heavenly grace.
Dayadhvam= this is the thunder's second command. Man is act to sympathize perhaps to understand and love humanity. Yet he is a prisoner not in his solitary dream. He is imprisoned in his own subject world unable to communicate with the fellow men each of whom, there is another solitary prisoner.
Damyata= this is the command perhaps to control oneself and to allow God to control one spirit.
The Thunder section seems to happen parallel to the climax of the quest for the Holy Grail and even takes the place of the expected question to the grail.
The country of India is still in the dry season and nature awakes the coming of the rain. In this case, the thunder announces not rain but the advice by which men's life can be revitalized.








هذا الكلام اللي في المربع مهم الدكتوره نقلتنا نفسه تقريبا
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قديم 2012- 12- 29   #1394
Diamond brooch
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الصورة الرمزية Diamond brooch
الملف الشخصي:
رقم العضوية : 88401
تاريخ التسجيل: Mon Sep 2011
المشاركات: 806
الـجنــس : أنـثـى
عدد الـنقـاط : 50
مؤشر المستوى: 60
Diamond brooch will become famous soon enough
بيانات الطالب:
الكلية: كلية الأداب بالدمام
الدراسة: انتظام
التخصص: English
المستوى: المستوى السابع
 الأوسمة و جوائز  بيانات الاتصال بالعضو  اخر مواضيع العضو
Diamond brooch غير متواجد حالياً
رد: last year......old plan group

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قديم 2012- 12- 29   #1395
Diamond brooch
أكـاديـمـي ذهـبـي
 
الصورة الرمزية Diamond brooch
الملف الشخصي:
رقم العضوية : 88401
تاريخ التسجيل: Mon Sep 2011
المشاركات: 806
الـجنــس : أنـثـى
عدد الـنقـاط : 50
مؤشر المستوى: 60
Diamond brooch will become famous soon enough
بيانات الطالب:
الكلية: كلية الأداب بالدمام
الدراسة: انتظام
التخصص: English
المستوى: المستوى السابع
 الأوسمة و جوائز  بيانات الاتصال بالعضو  اخر مواضيع العضو
Diamond brooch غير متواجد حالياً
رد: last year......old plan group

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q- write on- "death by water" as being another variation on the theme of death and rebirth.

there are so many people having contact with the sea. There is a reference to tristanund isolde who is sitting, waiting for the coming of her beloved to the sea. This is one reference to water. It is the possibility of water that carries the symbol of fertility- possibility of rebirth. There is reference to rebirth as an act of fertility – a sign of fertility.
relying on some sources in the poem, we can detect this theme in the poem, speaking of fertility- death and rebirth.
one of the books that eliot relied on is "from ritual to romance"
eliot admitted that most of the ideas, images are suggested by two books
"from ritual to romance" and" holy grail"
in " from ritual to romance" he said that certain religious rituals had not died completely , but they crept into literature and continued to be present in literature under christianity. The three deities- are related to different seasons- summer, winter, autumn- they stand for the cycle of life- death and rebirth, fertility, seasons- they stand for the death and rebirth of the land- rebirth= a sign of fertility= giving= production. Whenever we have the theme of death and rebirth, we have to remember these three deities= small gods. They are used by eliot because he believed in the role of these three deities in the traditional literature. They are applicable to the situation in the waste land. They lack the spiritual – religious side of their life.
in death by water, there is the death of the sailor who is a typical character of the waste land. He is dead by – in water. It means that there is presence of fertility. The theme of fertility is still there. There is another creation of the theme of fertility. The [presence of water is a suggestion of fertility – possibility of rebirth.
the phoenician sailor-, who is the dead person by water, is a typical character of the waste land. Spiritually, he is dead. He is blind and he has been taken by the cycle, the wheel of life in the whirlpool of life. Unless he manages to break this cycle, come to life again- that is possible, it is like death in life- he is dead in water= the source of life.
when we speak about death by water, we need to speak about the theme of fertility. It is suggested by the presence of water. Water means fertility. Water means life. This time, it is a source of death.
this man is spiritually dead. He is blind by his earthly desires. Unless, he turns to the spiritual side of life, he manages to, participant in the rebirth, regeneration, hew wont come to life. So, there is a possibility of fertility, reproduction. It is enough for us to think of water as a source of fertility.
in the story of tristanund isolde , to which he is referring , in the part of hyacinth girl, there is a reference for some one who is coming out of the sea. There is water; isolde is waiting there by water- like the dead person- the phoenician sailor- in death by water – she is a lady waiting for her beloved to come back.
here, we can not speak of any romantic idea because they are spiritually dead. They are disappointed, frustrated.
there is no romance. They are approaching the idea of having some kind of love relationship, but there is always frustration.
the waste land is a dead land.
with the hyacinth girl , there is frustration. With the lady in game of chess, there is frustrated love. There is the presence of hot water.
all these ideas are to make us think of fertility, of the possibility of some positive relation presence between the companions. Giving the girl a flower is a romantic action, but it ends with frustration. She is being left alone in the garden. She was left alone and frustrated.
in what the thunder said- though there is thunder, there is no sign of fertility. There is no presence of a woman who may suggest the presence of fertility.
q- how far is the waste land a reflection of its age?
it is a waste, dead land. The whole situation – after the war- the political, social changes, the complete destruction of religion of that age- early 20th century western world- it is of utter destruction of life.
the people included in the poem are real people. The unreal city- not imagined- it is a real city. It is not being inhabited by real people. It is dead. People are dead. They are never aware of what was going on. They do not care.
there is the idea of being on a dead land. This land needs to be resurrected, coming to life again. There is still a possibility with the presence of the religious theme here and there- the spiritual. The voice in the second part in the first section, when there is an invitation to show something new that he has not seen ever- the red rock that gives no shelter- it is not the shadow against the sun. It is a spiritual shadow. There is the presence of the church that is never being noticed by people who are walking on the bridge of london. They are dead in a sense.
eliot relied on" the holy grail" it is build on the story of king arthur and his search for the holy grail of the last supper. There is the presence of holiness, the theme of religion, the need to go back to religion. They will be resurrected only if they manage to find the holy grail. It is in the church and the church is being deserted. They are controlled by the feeling of frustration. They have suspicions about the present. They have fears. They do not trust the future. Because of all these things, they can not live. They could not reach to the church. The church has no windows.
there is this idea of depicting their real problem. They have cut off religion. After the war, they are martyrs, dying for the land. In the middle of the war, they come to the realization that al this killing and blood shed is nonsense, not logic. They come out of war with no faith.
it is not physical but spiritual death. It is the death of relationships, death of faith. They have lost beliefs in themselves, in others and in god. Their relation with god has been destroyed with the destruction of the land. This land is dead because of this loss of faith. Man is being destroyed.
there are people running on the bridge of london, but they are empty from inside. They are dead. They are not able to recognize any body.
the fragmented pieces here and there of the story - in the poem- are a reflection of the age. It is a reflection of the fragmentary that people suffered at that time. The fragmentary language adds to the cut down, broken down, to the bits and pieces, a heaps of broken images. A heap of images is the exact word by which we can describe the waste land. As a poem, it is on ly a heap of broken images, here and there . When we put them together, we come with an image. This image is a reflection of a broken picture.
the languages -french- german- are used to universalize the poem . They reflect the theme of lack of communication. People do not speak the same language. They are unable to communicate. Using different languages, he wants to emphasize the difficulty, the impossibility of the waste landers to communicate. He wants to say that they do not have a common language. It is difficult for them to set one issue, to decide. If they are not able to speak one language, they will not be able to recreate their land. They are being scattered on the land, speaking fragmentary language.


v. what the thunder said


this is the last movement of the poem. It is one of the most important movements.
thunder is a biblical reference. In the bible, they say that god speak to people in thunder. It is may be a reference to the presence of water. But the thunder in the waste land is fertile. It is only a sound. It is sterile.
after the torchlight red on sweaty faces

after the frosty silence in the gardens
after the agony in stony places
the shouting and the crying 325
prison and place and reverberation
of thunder of spring over distant mountains
he who was living is now dead
we who were living are now dying
with a little patience 330


the whole image is of death. It is reference to christ.
the whole stanza is expressing agony, speaking of the act of crucifixion of christ, killing, and its effect on the world.
here, the waste landers' god is absent. They are living in chaos.
the whole stanza creates an atmosphere of death. They are alive, but spiritually speaking they are dead. Religion is not part of their life. They do not rely on religion to survive, to cure their suffering.
silence in the gardens

this is where christ was crucified.
the whole stanza is reference to spiritual death. This is the death of christ himself. He did not die natural death, he was killed. Severe action is being involved. This prepares us for the destruction of the modern man. Hard action is being involved. This is responsible for the coming destruction of the whole world. This refers to the agony of being in prison- of being deceived by a friend and brought to his end. It is reference to the absence of faith, of honest relationship. Christ's death is reference to the ultimate darkness the whole world is living in since his death.

here is no water but only rock
rock and no water and the sandy road
the road winding above among the mountains
which are mountains of rock without water
if there were water we should stop and drink 335
amongst the rock one cannot stop or think
sweat is dry and feet are in the sand
if there were only water amongst the rock
dead mountain mouth of carious teeth that cannot spit

it is rocky and there is no water. They are running all the time. They do not stop to contemplate on their life, to find a solution, to return for salvation.
sweat of the christ when he was crucified.
there is complete absence of water, of moisture from the waste land, not even the sweat. They remember the sweat of christ. This is very painful to memorize.
the man standing on the rocks is not even enjoying a drop of sweat. There is utter dryness. There is no water. There is complete absence of any possibility of fertility. There is thunder, but there is no rain. Sweat of the christ on the cross is remembered which is painful. It is another harsh and painful memory.
it is a place where there is the sound of thunder, dry rocks under the heat of sun. They can not even have sweat. There is thunder. The sky is falling on them. It is a painful image. There is no possibility of resurrection.
they are dying for a drop of water.
carious teeth= decayed, rotten

here one can neither stand nor lie nor sit 340
there is not even silence in the mountains
but dry sterile thunder without rain
there is not even solitude in the mountains
but red sullen faces sneer and snarl
from doors of mud*****ed houses




man is suspended- in between- lost his way. He is cut of the world around him. It is the situation of being unrest, suffering, and inability to settle down. Man can never lie or sit. There is not even silence because of the sound of the thunder which may destroy the mountain. The thunder can split the mountain. Even the blessing of silence is not there. The muddy houses are dry so that they *****ed. There is no water. The houses which are supposed to be places of protection, they are places of utter dryness and death.
if there were water 345
and no rock
if there were rock
and also water
and water
a spring 350
a pool among the rock

rock has a spiritual reference, shelter, refuge.
if there were the sound of water only
not the cicada
and dry grass singing
but sound of water over a rock 355
where the hermit-thrush sings in the pine trees
drip drop drip drop drop drop drop
but there is no water


cicada= insect = grass hopper
the sound of cicada increases their wariness.
hermit-thrush= american little bird
he wished that the thrush would sing as its sound is like dripping water. There is complete thirst. The memory is there but it is painful. Here, it is not even there
who is the third who walks always beside you?
when i count, there are only you and i together 360
but when i look ahead up the white road
there is always another one walking beside you
gliding wrapt in a brown mantle, hooded
i do not know whether a man or a woman
—but who is that on the other side of you? 365


here, the speaker is involved completely. He is not only a narrator. He is a character.
this third person is christ himself- he is there, still around, waiting for them.
there are few words given by the thunder.
dr- what the thunder said-
the speaker's vision is of the decay and collapse of western civilization [speaking of christ's death is speaking about the death of all humanity] consequently, images of decay and sterility assume such nightmare proportion that to put them in orderly- well organized- blank verse would be entirely put of keeping with the chaotic image with which is movement abound .
in the absence of fertility themes, the water imagery has completely disappeared except as a symbol of memory and desire. This movement represents a recapitulation of the sterility theme. Taking up once again the dominant imagery of the second part of the first movement - dry red rock-. The feminine motif usually appears in conjunction with the fertility theme. It is here dissociated from this theme. It manifests itself in weird and sinister forms = either sex-or in the form of women who seem to be waiting over for the death of christy. The masculine motif is maintained by the voice of the speaker who is masculine as well as by the illusion of christ- another masculine, his apostle at the questing night- another masculine.
thunder commonly intimates the arrival of rain. Eliot refers specially to the message of the thunder given in brihadaranyaka - it is one of the books of sanskrit- sacred to hinduism . This is the language by which the thunder gives its words dayadhvam- datta- damyata. = calling for man to sympathize with others, to be open to other man and to give-
datta-= this is the thunder first command = to give. He can only reflect that he had been too prudent to surrender himself either to sexual lust or religious faith. The one who can not do so realizes that he is a lost soul playing for the water of heavenly grace.
dayadhvam= this is the thunder's second command. Man is act to sympathize perhaps to understand and love humanity. Yet he is a prisoner not in his solitary dream. He is imprisoned in his own subject world unable to communicate with the fellow men each of whom, there is another solitary prisoner.
damyata= this is the command perhaps to control oneself and to allow god to control one spirit.
the thunder section seems to happen parallel to the climax of the quest for the holy grail and even takes the place of the expected question to the grail.
the country of india is still in the dry season and nature awakes the coming of the rain. In this case, the thunder announces not rain but the advice by which men's life can be revitalized.



هذا الكلام اللي في المربع مهم الدكتوره نقلتنا نفسه تقريبا

هذا كله كلام الدكتوره ....؟؟

ولا ملخص ولا تفريغ ...

مافهمت بالضبط شسالفه حبيبتي يليت توضحين..

ومشكوره ..
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قديم 2012- 12- 29   #1396
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بيانات الطالب:
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The diction and the tone used in this poem reveal the speaker's struggle as his feelings mix between his desire to be a man and his desire to return to his childhood. The rhyme and structure of the poem keep the reader in tune with the flow of the poem. In this poem a man struggles to remain a man while fighting off his memories of the past, which he feels would be uncharacteristic of his present maturity.
The diction and tone of the poem also show the author's mixed feelings in the poem.
-The poem begins with the line, "softly in the dusk" to open the poem with a light, airy image. "Vista of years," are words used to show his nostalgia as he walks down memory lane. He remembers the "boom" of the piano, which would seem loud to a child who is four-years-old.
- In the second stanza, he is a little more negative about his memories. The song he is listening to "betrays me back." He feels that these memories should not be felt with such emotion because they cause him to "weep" as he reluctantly returns to his past.
-The last line of the poem is also negative as the speaker breaks down and goes "down the flood of remembrance." He again flows down the flood reluctantly into the past. The tone is quite the same, supporting the diction that the author remembers a happy past, but is reluctant in continuing to do so. He is happy to remember his past, but he feels his "manhood is cast down."

This poem's structure and rhyme
The poem's structure and rhyme help bring an organization to the way the speaker shares his mixed feelings. The lines are coupled so that every two lines rhyme.
-The poem is structured so that in each of the three stanza the author describes an image of the present in the first two lines, and then the last two lines are spent describing his comfortable past.
The second line of each stanza speaks of the vehicle that sends him back to the past while the third line of each stanza shows his increasing distress.
In the first stanza it's the singing woman that takes him "down the vista of years." Next, the song takes him to "the old Sunday evenings at home." Finally, the "great black piano" reminds him of the past.


So, we can say that there is a simple and repeated rhyme scheme. The first and second lines rhyme in each stanza. The third and fourth lines rhyme in each stanza. For example in the second stanza the endings are: ‘ong’, ‘ong’, ‘ide’ and ‘ide’. This simple rhyming fits the poem well.
-It expresses the simplicity of childhood.
- It also creates an obvious music that matches the music of the piano, which is the subject of the poem.
Note the internal rhymes created by similar words: ‘clamour’ and ‘glamour’ and ‘tingling’ and ‘tinkling’
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قديم 2012- 12- 29   #1397
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بيانات الطالب:
الكلية: طالب جامعي
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رد: last year......old plan group

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هذا كله كلام الدكتوره ....؟؟

ولا ملخص ولا تفريغ ...

مافهمت بالضبط شسالفه حبيبتي يليت توضحين..

ومشكوره ..

هو تفريغ بس اللي مكتوب dr
كلامها
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قديم 2012- 12- 29   #1398
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الكلية: كلية الآداب للبنات بالدمام
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شالسالفه ما احد عنده عربي بكره
ماتدرون وش قررت على الاسئله مقالي والا موضوعي ؟!
وبتجيب تحليل نص والا لأ ؟
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قديم 2012- 12- 29   #1399
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بيانات الطالب:
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رد: last year......old plan group

هذا الايميل من الدكتورة. موقفين


وعليكم السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته
مساء مبارك
بالنسبة للنهائي ستكون الأسئلة بهذه الطريقة:
20 درجة على أسئلة خيار من متعدد ( الأسئلة شاملة لكامل المنهج)
11 درجة على أسئلة متعلقة بمقالة كنت أتمنى أن أرى ابن آدم.
بقية الدرجات على أسئلة مقالية ، وهذه ستكون من المذكرة، بالإضافة إلى موضوعين من كتاب د. نجم:
الأول من الجزء المتعلق بالمقالة في الأدب الحديث من ص 53- 63
والثاني من الجزء المتعلق بأنواع المقالة الذاتية من ص 81_ 94
النصوص المقالية التي أديتن فيها التطبيق الجماعي داخل المحاضرة لن يأتي منها شيء.

ذاكرن جيدا وبجد، علما بأن ماذكر خاص بطالبات الانتظام .
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قديم 2012- 12- 29   #1400
جسد
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بيانات الطالب:
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