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ms.2012 · 2012- 1- 8

اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة tabula rasa

بنات انا مع د سميره وقالت ان من المسرحيه الثانيه بتجيب كوتيشن وسؤال ايساي بيكون عن :ثيم ,لانقوج ,كاركترز ذا بالنسبه للمسرحيه الثانيه
,,
لكن الاولى ماعندي خبر هل هي بتلتزم بالمسرحيه ولا بتجي من مواضيع الريسيرش الي سويناها !! :/ الي تقدر تفيدني لاتبخل علي الله يعافيكم

شوفي حبيبتي فيه سؤالين من الريسيرش من الروايتن فضروري تذاكرين كل التوبيكات المتعلقه فيهم ... وأتوقع أنها تجيبهم كمقارنه ..مثلا ..قارني بن الثيتر أو آبسيرد و الويل ميد يلاي مع الرجوع للقودوت و آدول هآوس تطبقين عليهم المقارنه >> أحسه شرح هنود بس سلكي

ms.2012 · 2012- 1- 8

^
إذا مافهمتي عآدي أوضح لك

Fanorita · 2012- 1- 8

بنتحر شربت كوفي عشان اصحصح المغرب والحين طار النوم

المشكله ماخلصت وعقلي متنح

بروح اشرب لبن كود يفيد

<<<<خوفي يطلع تاثير اللبن في الاختبار بس

طيرالحب · 2012- 1- 8

اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة ms.2012

شوفي حبيبتي فيه سؤالين من الريسيرش من الروايتن فضروري تذاكرين كل التوبيكات المتعلقه فيهم ... وأتوقع أنها تجيبهم كمقارنه ..مثلا ..قارني بن الثيتر أو آبسيرد و الويل ميد يلاي مع الرجوع للقودوت و آدول هآوس تطبقين عليهم المقارنه >> أحسه شرح هنود بس سلكي

الله يسسعدك اذا تقدرين تكتبين البوينت ع المقارنه بدون شرح

tabula rasa · 2012- 1- 8

ياحووووبي لك يا ام اس

فالك النجاح حبيبتي

tabula rasa · 2012- 1- 8

اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة Fanorita

بنتحر شربت كوفي عشان اصحصح المغرب والحين طار النوم

المشكله ماخلصت وعقلي متنح

بروح اشرب لبن كود يفيد

<<<<خوفي يطلع تاثير اللبن في الاختبار بس

لا مانصحك لبن يجيب النووم ترا

انا شكلي بنام واكمل مذاكره على الساعه 6

ms.2012 · 2012- 1- 8

Class Discussion: Waiting for Godot
1. Traditional well-made play vs. the experimental theater of the absurd.
Whatever else you say about this play, one thing is indisputable. This is a really weird,
unusual play! Seeing it 50 years later, it still seems really uncanny, very other. It creates
the kind of lasting impression that defines most great literature. But it also defies all our
expectations for what a play is supposed to do, what drama is supposed to do.
Traditional Drama Theater of the Absurd
A story with a clearly defined beginning,
middle and end. Linear progression;
Freytag’s Pyramid: exposition, rising
action, climax, falling action, resolution
• Beginning: Thebes is suffering and Oedipus
is trying to save it. Middle: he searches
diligently for the truth that will save it.
End: He discovers the truth, and Thebes is
saved.
• Freytag’s pyramid describes the unfolding
of the action.
Story seems meaningless or absurd.
Progression is circular rather than linear.
• Two characters arrive to stand around
waiting for Godot? Godot never comes.
They keep waiting.
• Act II repeats the same action as ACT I.
The play ends in the middle; the characters
are still waiting.
Well defined characters, clear
motivations
• Seeing him in action allows us to see that
Oedipus is kingly, a man of power and
accomplishment. He’s kindhearted but rash
in his temper, intelligent but irreverent.
He’s powerful and determined to use his
power to save Thebes, regardless of the
personal costs.
Character motivation is unclear; actions
and dialogue may seem nonsensical or
surreal
• Didi and Gogo are nobodies, two bums.
Why should Godot care about them? Why
should we care about them?
• They’re trying to save themselves, but why?
They don’t do anything “meaningful” while
they’re waiting except talk.
• They seem like clowns. Their talk is mostly
“blather” that doesn’t lead to anything.
Plot with causal sequence of events. We
can reflect on why things are happening,
what the causes and implications are.
• Plot is usually considered the central focus
of dramatic art. It’s the most contrived
thing about drama. Life is not a plot. But
in a traditional play, like Oedipus, there’s a
clear casual sequence of events, a plot, as in
any well-made play. Because “A” happens,
“B” happens, which causes “C” to
happen… Although you might not see it
coming around the bend, the central conflict
leads a train of events as inevitable as a
railroad track leading straight to a climax
and resolution. That’s a good plot.
There’s no causal sequence to observe.
Things happen without clear causes.
• Why are these characters waiting for
Godot? Why do they continue to wait?
• Why don’t they learn from their
experiences?
• Who are Pozzo and Lucky and why do they
appear? Where are they going?
• What effect did their encounter have?
The message in a bottle. We expect the
traditional play to provide us with the
key to its meaning, the solution to the
problem, the moral of the story.
• Oedipus: Character determines fate.
Meaning is subjective and ambiguous.
• Godot: ? We’re left wondering exactly
what the writer intended it all to mean.
• We have to supply the meaning ourselves.
Why have these artists, Beckett chief among them, turned away from the traditional drama?
• Traditional drama doesn’t reflect the world as they see it. Neatly tied-up resolutions
are impossible in our modern world. The world as they see it is an incoherent place—
they observe it but barely comprehend it and sometimes despair of its apparent
meaninglessness. The theater of the absurd is a kind of a nervous breakdown, if you
will. There’s nothing out there. It’s sometimes referred to as nihilistic—it believes in
nothing. But if you observe closely, I think you might find Beckett is more existential
than nihilist—meaning may not be “out there” but it very definitely is “in here.” The
existentialist recognizes the meaninglessness but declares it the responsibility of every
human being to make our own meanings—to create meaning.
• Traditional drama reflects a world view composed of a rational, well-ordered universe,
a comforting system of beliefs (faith in something, someone), a stable scale of values, an
ethical system in working condition. These artists have an entirely different world view.
Their world is marked by chaos instead of order. The universe is void—nothing to
believe in but nothingness, which holds expresses or demands ninherent values, no
inherently humane or moral ethical code. There are just people existing, being only for
themselves, and sometimes by themselves.
Waiting for Godot, like a lot of theater of the absurd, rejects traditional conventions:
• Life is not a plot—that’s too contrived, too artificial; life is composed of a series of
sometimes connected, sometimes isolated moments, images, exchanges, situations that
don’t necessarily lead anywhere
• People aren’t heroic; they’re often absurd, which can be tragic and comic
(tragicomedy)
• Carefully crafted dialogue and “meaningful” speeches are too contrived; language
isn’t the wonderful tool we think it is: it can be the source of all our most damaging
illusions; and most of the time, we either use it carelessly to say nothing at all or we use
it to oppress one another in some way. Only rarely does language help us arrive at
truth—and at those times, we are usually frightened away. (Near the end of the play,
Didi tries to articulate some kind of truth, but in the end he pulls back—“What have I
said?”)
Just like poetry can sometimes be dramatic, drama can sometimes be poetic. The art of the
theater of the absurd in particular aims for a kind of drama that functions very much like
poetry, revealing images rather than telling stories. You will probably remember certain
images from this play for a long time:
• Lucky on the rope, with his bags, and Pozzo treating him like a beast.
• Pozzo’s absurd pompous arrogance.
• Didi and Gogo’s absurd waiting, their clownish behavior, their friendship
• Didi and Gogo saying at the end of each act. “Let’s go,” and then not moving
anywhere…
It’s not that these images aren’t meaningful; it’s that they’re ambiguous, and we have to supply
the meaning ourselves, which is really true of all literature, isn’t it? It’s just more obvious.
So like a lot of good poetry, Waiting for Godot is very ambiguous. Because it is so
abstract, it invites viewers to find their own meaning, pursue their own interpretations.
It’s a kind of abstract expressionism for the theater. Beckett has tried to strip away all outer
contexts, everything external that might help you situate the action and the characters,
anything that might give the play an obvious, intended “meaning.” The meaning of this play is
what you choose to make of it. Beckett gives you a shape to work with, that’s all.
The shape of a place (set). What is this place? A country road, a tree. It could be anywhere.
Does it seem “realistic”? Do you need it to be realistic? Does the setting in the film feel like an
imaginary world or the real world? Why? How would the play seem different if the set were
designed to evoke a specific setting? Say, a bombed out neighborhood in London after WWII,
or a contemporary urban street—a deserted lot next to a row of abandoned houses? What if
Gogo and Didi were two old men in a suburban park?
How does the “Beckett on Film” set color your understanding of the play? Was it anything
like you imagined when you read the play?
Sound. Did you miss hearing a music soundtrack? What’s the effect of watching a film with
no musical soundtrack?
• Silences stand out more emphatically
• Silence becomes part of the play’s theme
• Silence seems to take on a character of its own—an intolerable void, a nothingness the
characters desperately try to fill with their chatter.
• Although the characters battle the silence, they sometimes fail, and the audience
experiences it again and again, which is Beckett’s intention, it seems
Lighting. The one lighting effect—day turns rapidly to night. What’s the effect of this rapid
change?
• Surreal, dreamlike effect amplifies the theme of uncertain time
• Night seems caused by Godot’s absence, his failure to arrive as promised
Plot. Very nontraditional. The movement is circular and symmetrical rather than linear and
progressive. The second act parallels the first.
• Is the second act a progression in a subtle way? Is it mere repetition, or is something
else revealed?
• The dilemma intensifies in Act II: the characters have a harder time passing the time;
Gogo is more desperate to leave; Pozzo is more helpless; things are a little more absurd.
There’s more absurd rhetoric and more absurd clowning than in the first act.
• There’s a kind of climactic crescendo in Pozzo’s parting speech and another in Didi’s
brief speech just before Godot’s messenger arrives for the second time. (p.103, 104)
Theme. Interpret the meaning of the play individually.

هذا الشيء أنا قاعده أذاكر منه هو حلو عن البسورد ثيتر >>> إذا جيت عند الويل ميد حطيتهم لك

ms.2012 · 2012- 1- 8

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شوفي البيدي أف اللي حاطته ميبي نوت ...حللو ومرتب ... الله يوفقها

Lost 3 · 2012- 1- 8

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مآذآكرت شي لسى

بس شسمه وش سالفة الرياليزم و النآتشرلزم . . ؟ أحسسهم يتشآبهوون

M.A.S · 2012- 1- 8

اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة ريحة المطر

بنآآآآت .. شطحه

وش تقسيم الدرجات لأعمال السنه تبع دكتورة مها سلام ؟

الميد 20 و ريسيرتش 10 ؟؟ باقي 10 على ايش ؟؟

<< بيجيك أكبر طآآآآف

انا رحت وشفت درجتي

25 على الميد
10 ريسرتش
5 مشاركه
حلوه درجتي حمدالله مراعيه

اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة القصواء

من قال فيه درجات ع المشاركه

هي قالت البرزنتيشن عليه 15

الا عليها 5

اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة يمر طيفك

أنا اليوم رحت عندها ، وقالت لاتخافون من الأمتحان .. جدا سهل ، وجدا واضح
والأسئلة مباشرة ، والإجابات to the point وبدون مقدمات ولا خاتمة .. وقالت إن أطول إجابة
براجرافين ..

انا قالت لي ابدن ماراح يكون مباشر!
قالت السؤال الاول كوتيشن واحد فقط مافيه تشويس!
وبتسأل عن اشياء محدده، ويمكن تطلب مقارنه بين المسرحيتين بالكوتيشن

والسؤالين الثانيين فيه تشويسز وبيكون بعضها عام ومباشر وبعضها لا
قالت يمكن اجيب ستيتمنت لـ ناقد واقول علقوا عليه زي اللي بالميد

قالت اللي فاهم ودارس رح يعرف يجاوب.. مو شي حافظينه وتكتبونه
وبس.. goog luck all

2012- 1- 8	#5452
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2012- 1- 8	#5453
Fanorita أكـاديـمـي نــشـط الملف الشخصي: رقم العضوية : 71651 تاريخ التسجيل: Sun Feb 2011 العمر: 35 المشاركات: 132 الـجنــس : أنـثـى عدد الـنقـاط : 50 مؤشر المستوى: 56 بيانات الطالب: الكلية: كلية الاداب بالدمام الدراسة: انتظام التخصص: ادب انجليزي المستوى: المستوى الثامن	رد: l\|][Ξ¯▪ Last Year 1st Semester ▪¯Ξ][\| بنتحر شربت كوفي عشان اصحصح المغرب والحين طار النوم المشكله ماخلصت وعقلي متنح بروح اشرب لبن كود يفيد <<<<خوفي يطلع تاثير اللبن في الاختبار بس

2012- 1- 8	#5455
tabula rasa أكـاديـمـي فـعّـال الملف الشخصي: رقم العضوية : 47786 تاريخ التسجيل: Mon Feb 2010 المشاركات: 219 الـجنــس : أنـثـى عدد الـنقـاط : 100 مؤشر المستوى: 61 بيانات الطالب: الكلية: كلية الاداب بالدمام الدراسة: غير طالب التخصص: ادب انجليزي المستوى: المستوى السابع	رد: l\|][Ξ¯▪ Last Year 1st Semester ▪¯Ξ][\| ياحووووبي لك يا ام اس فالك النجاح حبيبتي

2012- 1- 8	#5457
ms.2012 أكـاديـمـي نــشـط الملف الشخصي: رقم العضوية : 93987 تاريخ التسجيل: Mon Nov 2011 المشاركات: 173 الـجنــس : أنـثـى عدد الـنقـاط : 62 مؤشر المستوى: 53 بيانات الطالب: الكلية: كلية الأداب بالدمام الدراسة: انتظام التخصص: English Litruture المستوى: المستوى السابع	رد: l\|][Ξ¯▪ Last Year 1st Semester ▪¯Ξ][\| Class Discussion: Waiting for Godot 1. Traditional well-made play vs. the experimental theater of the absurd. Whatever else you say about this play, one thing is indisputable. This is a really weird, unusual play! Seeing it 50 years later, it still seems really uncanny, very other. It creates the kind of lasting impression that defines most great literature. But it also defies all our expectations for what a play is supposed to do, what drama is supposed to do. Traditional Drama Theater of the Absurd A story with a clearly defined beginning, middle and end. Linear progression; Freytag’s Pyramid: exposition, rising action, climax, falling action, resolution • Beginning: Thebes is suffering and Oedipus is trying to save it. Middle: he searches diligently for the truth that will save it. End: He discovers the truth, and Thebes is saved. • Freytag’s pyramid describes the unfolding of the action. Story seems meaningless or absurd. Progression is circular rather than linear. • Two characters arrive to stand around waiting for Godot? Godot never comes. They keep waiting. • Act II repeats the same action as ACT I. The play ends in the middle; the characters are still waiting. Well defined characters, clear motivations • Seeing him in action allows us to see that Oedipus is kingly, a man of power and accomplishment. He’s kindhearted but rash in his temper, intelligent but irreverent. He’s powerful and determined to use his power to save Thebes, regardless of the personal costs. Character motivation is unclear; actions and dialogue may seem nonsensical or surreal • Didi and Gogo are nobodies, two bums. Why should Godot care about them? Why should we care about them? • They’re trying to save themselves, but why? They don’t do anything “meaningful” while they’re waiting except talk. • They seem like clowns. Their talk is mostly “blather” that doesn’t lead to anything. Plot with causal sequence of events. We can reflect on why things are happening, what the causes and implications are. • Plot is usually considered the central focus of dramatic art. It’s the most contrived thing about drama. Life is not a plot. But in a traditional play, like Oedipus, there’s a clear casual sequence of events, a plot, as in any well-made play. Because “A” happens, “B” happens, which causes “C” to happen… Although you might not see it coming around the bend, the central conflict leads a train of events as inevitable as a railroad track leading straight to a climax and resolution. That’s a good plot. There’s no causal sequence to observe. Things happen without clear causes. • Why are these characters waiting for Godot? Why do they continue to wait? • Why don’t they learn from their experiences? • Who are Pozzo and Lucky and why do they appear? Where are they going? • What effect did their encounter have? The message in a bottle. We expect the traditional play to provide us with the key to its meaning, the solution to the problem, the moral of the story. • Oedipus: Character determines fate. Meaning is subjective and ambiguous. • Godot: ? We’re left wondering exactly what the writer intended it all to mean. • We have to supply the meaning ourselves. Why have these artists, Beckett chief among them, turned away from the traditional drama? • Traditional drama doesn’t reflect the world as they see it. Neatly tied-up resolutions are impossible in our modern world. The world as they see it is an incoherent place— they observe it but barely comprehend it and sometimes despair of its apparent meaninglessness. The theater of the absurd is a kind of a nervous breakdown, if you will. There’s nothing out there. It’s sometimes referred to as nihilistic—it believes in nothing. But if you observe closely, I think you might find Beckett is more existential than nihilist—meaning may not be “out there” but it very definitely is “in here.” The existentialist recognizes the meaninglessness but declares it the responsibility of every human being to make our own meanings—to create meaning. • Traditional drama reflects a world view composed of a rational, well-ordered universe, a comforting system of beliefs (faith in something, someone), a stable scale of values, an ethical system in working condition. These artists have an entirely different world view. Their world is marked by chaos instead of order. The universe is void—nothing to believe in but nothingness, which holds expresses or demands ninherent values, no inherently humane or moral ethical code. There are just people existing, being only for themselves, and sometimes by themselves. Waiting for Godot, like a lot of theater of the absurd, rejects traditional conventions: • Life is not a plot—that’s too contrived, too artificial; life is composed of a series of sometimes connected, sometimes isolated moments, images, exchanges, situations that don’t necessarily lead anywhere • People aren’t heroic; they’re often absurd, which can be tragic and comic (tragicomedy) • Carefully crafted dialogue and “meaningful” speeches are too contrived; language isn’t the wonderful tool we think it is: it can be the source of all our most damaging illusions; and most of the time, we either use it carelessly to say nothing at all or we use it to oppress one another in some way. Only rarely does language help us arrive at truth—and at those times, we are usually frightened away. (Near the end of the play, Didi tries to articulate some kind of truth, but in the end he pulls back—“What have I said?”) Just like poetry can sometimes be dramatic, drama can sometimes be poetic. The art of the theater of the absurd in particular aims for a kind of drama that functions very much like poetry, revealing images rather than telling stories. You will probably remember certain images from this play for a long time: • Lucky on the rope, with his bags, and Pozzo treating him like a beast. • Pozzo’s absurd pompous arrogance. • Didi and Gogo’s absurd waiting, their clownish behavior, their friendship • Didi and Gogo saying at the end of each act. “Let’s go,” and then not moving anywhere… It’s not that these images aren’t meaningful; it’s that they’re ambiguous, and we have to supply the meaning ourselves, which is really true of all literature, isn’t it? It’s just more obvious. So like a lot of good poetry, Waiting for Godot is very ambiguous. Because it is so abstract, it invites viewers to find their own meaning, pursue their own interpretations. It’s a kind of abstract expressionism for the theater. Beckett has tried to strip away all outer contexts, everything external that might help you situate the action and the characters, anything that might give the play an obvious, intended “meaning.” The meaning of this play is what you choose to make of it. Beckett gives you a shape to work with, that’s all. The shape of a place (set). What is this place? A country road, a tree. It could be anywhere. Does it seem “realistic”? Do you need it to be realistic? Does the setting in the film feel like an imaginary world or the real world? Why? How would the play seem different if the set were designed to evoke a specific setting? Say, a bombed out neighborhood in London after WWII, or a contemporary urban street—a deserted lot next to a row of abandoned houses? What if Gogo and Didi were two old men in a suburban park? How does the “Beckett on Film” set color your understanding of the play? Was it anything like you imagined when you read the play? Sound. Did you miss hearing a music soundtrack? What’s the effect of watching a film with no musical soundtrack? • Silences stand out more emphatically • Silence becomes part of the play’s theme • Silence seems to take on a character of its own—an intolerable void, a nothingness the characters desperately try to fill with their chatter. • Although the characters battle the silence, they sometimes fail, and the audience experiences it again and again, which is Beckett’s intention, it seems Lighting. The one lighting effect—day turns rapidly to night. What’s the effect of this rapid change? • Surreal, dreamlike effect amplifies the theme of uncertain time • Night seems caused by Godot’s absence, his failure to arrive as promised Plot. Very nontraditional. The movement is circular and symmetrical rather than linear and progressive. The second act parallels the first. • Is the second act a progression in a subtle way? Is it mere repetition, or is something else revealed? • The dilemma intensifies in Act II: the characters have a harder time passing the time; Gogo is more desperate to leave; Pozzo is more helpless; things are a little more absurd. There’s more absurd rhetoric and more absurd clowning than in the first act. • There’s a kind of climactic crescendo in Pozzo’s parting speech and another in Didi’s brief speech just before Godot’s messenger arrives for the second time. (p.103, 104) Theme. Interpret the meaning of the play individually. هذا الشيء أنا قاعده أذاكر منه هو حلو عن البسورد ثيتر >>> إذا جيت عند الويل ميد حطيتهم لك

2012- 1- 8	#5458
ms.2012 أكـاديـمـي نــشـط الملف الشخصي: رقم العضوية : 93987 تاريخ التسجيل: Mon Nov 2011 المشاركات: 173 الـجنــس : أنـثـى عدد الـنقـاط : 62 مؤشر المستوى: 53 بيانات الطالب: الكلية: كلية الأداب بالدمام الدراسة: انتظام التخصص: English Litruture المستوى: المستوى السابع	رد: l\|][Ξ¯▪ Last Year 1st Semester ▪¯Ξ][\| http://www.ckfu.org/vb/t211165-539.html شوفي البيدي أف اللي حاطته ميبي نوت ...حللو ومرتب ... الله يوفقها

2012- 1- 8	#5459
Lost 3 أكـاديـمـي ألـمـاسـي الملف الشخصي: رقم العضوية : 53112 تاريخ التسجيل: Mon Jun 2010 المشاركات: 1,109 الـجنــس : أنـثـى عدد الـنقـاط : 3898 مؤشر المستوى: 72 بيانات الطالب: الكلية: الادآب بالدمآم , الدراسة: غير طالب التخصص: آدب أنجليزي , المستوى: خريج جامعي	رد: l\|][Ξ¯▪ Last Year 1st Semester ▪¯Ξ][\| - مآذآكرت شي لسى بس شسمه وش سالفة الرياليزم و النآتشرلزم . . ؟ أحسسهم يتشآبهوون

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