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ظل الحقيقة · #1 2018- 2- 5

مراحب

بيكون هنا تجمعنا وكل ما يخص المادة .

طبعا دكتور حليمة عرفناه و عرفنا اسلوبه

بداية شكرا شكرا شكرا
لكل من سعى و افادنا من ملخصات وتجمعات من سبقونا .

بالمرفقات

ملخص انصاف
هنا تنويه من ام حاتم
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شرح دودي
حل مع الدكتور الجزء العملي

( حل الواجبات )
( الواجب الأول )

C.producing an oral translation directly after hearing the ST
A.Yes , it is
D.Finally , the third teacher was a little child . I saw him once walking towards the
( الواجب الثاني )

D.Mainly called ‘conference interpreting
B.remote interpreting in international conference settings
.Cتواجه مربية ايرلندية تعيش بشكل غير قانوني في الولايات المتحدة احتمال تهمة القتل بعد إصابة قاتلة لطفل أثناء وجوده في رعايتها"
( الواجب الثالث )

C .use of videotapes
B. dialogue interpreting
.Dتتوقع الغالبية العظمى من الأسر أن تسئ أحوالهم المالية أو يصيبها ركود في العام المقبل
A. adaptable to the definition of interpreting

ظل الحقيقة · 2018- 2- 5

المناقشات
1
Interpreting is normally regarded as a translational activity, as a special form of ‘Translation
Interpreting is an ancient human practice which clearly predates the invention of writing- and (written) translation
What distinguishes interpreting from other types of translational activity is its immediacy
In principle, interpreting is performed ‘here and now’ for the benefit of people who want to engage in communication across barriers of language and culture
In contrast to common usage of ‘interpreting ‘ as an oral translation’ or‘the oral rendering of spoken message’, Otto Kade, a self-taught interpreter and translation scholar at the University of Leipzig and as early as the 1960s defined interpreting as a form of translation in which The source-language text is presented only once and thus cannot be reviewed or replayed, and The target-language text is produced under time pressure, with little chance for correction and revision

2
interpreting could have the following key areas of theoretic framework
(The scope of the interpreter’s task (mainly production
The perspective on the translational process (target-oriented‘production’ rather than source-dependent ‘transfer; and
(The normative specification of the translation product (the assumption of ‘similarity’ in meaning or‘effect

3
Business interpreting where communities speaking different languages get in contact with each other for the purpose of trading and exchanging goods, or doing ‘business’.

Liaison Interpreting is a form of interpreting practiced mainly in commercial negotiations

Diplomatic Interpreting where the representatives of different linguistic and cultural communities came together with the aim of establishing and cultivating political relation.

Military interpreting is when relations turn sour between two conflicting armed communities, as when it happens in talks with allies forces in during World War II, truce negotiations or the interrogation of prisoners.

Court Interpreting : includes task like the certified translation of documents as well as interpreting in quasi-judicial and administrative hearings

(Sign language interpreting where it normally takes place in educational settings (educational interpreting

community interpreting or public Service interpreting (in the UK) and Cultural interpreting (in Canada) is where interpreting services are established to help immigrants function in the host society as it is an important intra-social communication need.

Media interpreting or Broadcasting interpreting which is mainly focused on TV interpreting.This is obvious with sign Language interpreting or even in case of war crime tribunal

4
Bilateral interpreting or dialogue interpreting is where interpreting is modelled as ‘three-party interaction’ with a (bilingual ) interpreter assuming the pivotal mediating role between two (monolingual)client.

Multilateral Communication Interpreting is as in conferences attended by delegates and representatives of various nations and institutions,mainly called Conference Interpreting

Conference Interpreting (for national or international organisation) is the most prominent manifestation in our time

5
Interpreting is used as a generic term to indicate to the use of spokenlanguage in particular, but due to the emergence of the sign languageInterpreting, it is now used as spoken-language interpreting to bedistinguished from signed Language interpreting or ‘interpreting forthe deaf.

(Signing could refer as well to (voice-to-sign interpreting’ orsign-to-sign interpreting ) as opposed ‘voicing’ or voice-overinterpreting’ (sign-to-voice interpreting

A special modality is used in communication with the deafblind,who monitor a signed message, including finger spelling,by resting their hands on the signer’s hands tactileinterpreting

6
While no hard and fast line can be drawn between short consecutive (as usedin dialogue interpreting) and the ‘classic form’ of consecutive implying therendition of at least five to ten minutes of uninterrupted discourse,consecutive interpreting skills are usually taken to be synonymous with thelatter and thus closely linked to note-taking skills

7
It is preliminary exercises that command prime attention in introducing students to the crucial task demand of simultaneity, perceived as the skill of listening and speaking at the same time, by way of ‘dual-task’ exercises

This involves a listening task in combination with a second, different task, such as simultaneously counting backwards or reading aloud

A specific exercise in simultaneous verbal processing is shadowing, which is the immediate repetition of auditory input in the same language with either minimal delay (‘phoneme shadowing) or at greater lateness (‘phrase shadowing

Much less controversial than shadowing have been preliminary exercises with a focus on content processing, such as simultaneous paraphrasing,shadowing tasks combined with cloze exercise, or simultaneous interpreting of well-known fairy tales

Beyond the first stage of training designed to familiarize students with the technique of SI, it is important to emphasis the need to focus on the process rather than the product, to teach strategies particularly for coping with lexical and structural difficulties, and to create a training environment that is as close to real-life condition as possible

8
Based on translation studies, the discipline of interpreting studies,with theoretical sub domains based on a list of situational variable

Varieties of interpreting (consecutive Vs simultaneous); the medium of interpreting (human, machine, computer aided interpreting); language combinations; culture combinations;area/institution interpreting (interpreting in court, in the media,etc..) text relations (text-type, degree of specialization , etc.); and partner relations (source-text producer Vs target-text addressee)

eight dimensions could be adopted to map out the theoretical territory of interpreting studies (i.e. Domains and dimensions of interpreting Theory, Pochdonkey, 20011):

Medium:human, machine,computer aided interpreting

Setting: international(multilateral conference, int.Organization, media,court, police, health care, etc...)

Mode: consecutive ,simultaneous whispered, sight

Language(culture)Spoken→conference language →migrant language

Discourse:speeches→debates→face-to face

Participants:equal representatives↔individual vs.institutional representatives

Interpreter:professional interpreter↔semi professional↔natural or lay man interpreter

Problem:simultaneity ↔memory ↔quality ↔stress↔effect↔ role

9
a humanistic approach
approach centred on processing-skill components and stages of expertise to curriculum foregrounds the personal and social aspects of instruction interaction and the process of socialising student into a ‘community of professional practice

Thus concepts such as ‘situated cognition’ ‘reflective practice, and‘cognitive apprenticeship can be used to underpin a more student-oriented and interaction-oriented refinement of established interpreter training practices

10
-general entry requirements for training interpreters
1. Knowledge (of language and the world)
2. Cognitive skills ( relating to analysis, attention and memory)
3. Personality traits ( including stress tolerance and intellectual curiosity)

==
aptitude testing for training interpreters
For conference interpreting, for example, traditional examination methods include holistic communicative task such as:
• Bilingual or multilingual interview
• Impromptu speech production
• And oral summary rendition in another language
Personality traits could be summarised as follows:
§ motivation and learning style
§ coping with physical as well as emotional stress.
§ the ability to grasp rapidly and to convey the meaning of spoken discourse

doing well at Recall, Cloze and Error detection tests as well as ―subskills-based text of verbal fluency and comprehension
A Screening procedure for training interpreters could be as follows; a five part written test for language proficiency and general knowledge, series of oral test, including written recall of a recorded passage, error detection and sight translation

11
There is a close relationship between globalization and interpreting studies. For international conference interpreting, itself an early example of a ‘global profession’, globalization is a mixed blessing. While the trend to carry out transaction in business, politics, arts, and science on a world-wide scale could be assumed to boost the role of interpreters in international communication, the spread of English as a lingua franca largely offsets this potential need. As much as the official language policy, and interpreting policy, of the EU will preserve Europe’s heritage as the heartland of multilateral conference interpreting, the spread of international English is likely to shrink the market for conference interpreters there as well

12
The most visible manifestation of ‘the technologizing of interpreting’,is to remote interpreting in international conference settings andvideoconferences

Its effect on simultaneous interpreters’ working conditions and on theprofession in general will be a focus of research for years to come,with issues such as stress, visual access and psycho-social factorsrequiring particular attention

In communication involving deaf and hearing-impaired people, the increasingavailability of audio-visual telecommunications equipment is likely to facilitate remoteinterpreting arrangement, whereas more efficient technologies for converting speech totext, and written input into spoken output, may favour the use of script-basedcommunication and make interpreters redundant

In the long term, advanced prosthetic technology (cochlear implant) made available toorimposed on- deaf people may well make the community of signed-language userseven more heterogeneous, and the market for sign language interpreters morefragmented

The role of technology tend to have strong repercussions on interpretertraining, including the need to introduce would-be interpreters to the efficientuse of state-of-the-art electronic equipment in and outside the booth; the needto prepare trainees for various types of remote interpreting arrangements; andthe deployment of digital training stations and web-based source-text archivesfor classroom instruction as well as self-study

Furthermore, interpreting researchers will also benefit from theavailability of new equipment and tools to enhance the efficiency ofempirical data collection and analysis

Fieldwork involving discourse data can rely on digital, and lessobtrusive, recording equipment and subsequent transcription will beaided by specialised software and speech recognition systems

This will also enhance the feasibility of applying corpus-linguisticmethods to large corpora of source, target and parallel texts fromauthentic interpreted events

13
السؤال ما هي الخطوات التالية هو الأكثر أهمية في استكمال مشروع بحثي
هنا أنا أخترت
To have a ‘model’, or theory

14
هنا أكتبوا ايجابيات وسلبيات المنهج

ظل الحقيقة · 2018- 2- 5

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ظل الحقيقة · 2018- 2- 5

تجميع للاعوام السابقة (اسئلة)
6 نماذج

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بالتوفيق

أمنيات حنين · 2018- 2- 5

مايتحمل لي لا ووورد ولا بدي اف كيف يفتح معي

منصور العبدالله · 2018- 2- 5

ماشاءالله يا ظل الحقيقة مجهود يذكر فيشكر

تقييمي لكِ

%حوور% · 2018- 2- 5

الله يجزاك خير
فية غير هالملخص

ظل الحقيقة · 2018- 2- 6

اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة أمنيات حنين

مايتحمل لي لا ووورد ولا بدي اف كيف يفتح معي

هلا , غيري المتصفح

ظل الحقيقة · 2018- 2- 6

اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة %حوور%

الله يجزاك خير
فية غير هالملخص

واياك يا رب
تفضلي هنا بالمرفقات
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ظل الحقيقة · 2018- 2- 6

اقتباس:

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة منصور العبدالله

ماشاءالله يا ظل الحقيقة مجهود يذكر فيشكر

تقييمي لكِ

مما عندكم

الله يسعدك

2018- 2- 5	#2
ظل الحقيقة مُتميزة بالمستوى E7 الملف الشخصي: رقم العضوية : 248282 تاريخ التسجيل: Sun Dec 2015 العمر: 35 المشاركات: 1,690 الـجنــس : أنـثـى عدد الـنقـاط : 15824 مؤشر المستوى: 65 بيانات الطالب: الكلية: اداب الدراسة: غير طالب التخصص: English المستوى: خريج جامعي	رد: الترجمة التتابعية - احمد حليمة 1439 الترم الثاني المناقشات 1 Interpreting is normally regarded as a translational activity, as a special form of ‘Translation Interpreting is an ancient human practice which clearly predates the invention of writing- and (written) translation What distinguishes interpreting from other types of translational activity is its immediacy In principle, interpreting is performed ‘here and now’ for the benefit of people who want to engage in communication across barriers of language and culture In contrast to common usage of ‘interpreting ‘ as an oral translation’ or‘the oral rendering of spoken message’, Otto Kade, a self-taught interpreter and translation scholar at the University of Leipzig and as early as the 1960s defined interpreting as a form of translation in which The source-language text is presented only once and thus cannot be reviewed or replayed, and The target-language text is produced under time pressure, with little chance for correction and revision 2 interpreting could have the following key areas of theoretic framework (The scope of the interpreter’s task (mainly production The perspective on the translational process (target-oriented‘production’ rather than source-dependent ‘transfer; and (The normative specification of the translation product (the assumption of ‘similarity’ in meaning or‘effect 3 Business interpreting where communities speaking different languages get in contact with each other for the purpose of trading and exchanging goods, or doing ‘business’. Liaison Interpreting is a form of interpreting practiced mainly in commercial negotiations Diplomatic Interpreting where the representatives of different linguistic and cultural communities came together with the aim of establishing and cultivating political relation. Military interpreting is when relations turn sour between two conflicting armed communities, as when it happens in talks with allies forces in during World War II, truce negotiations or the interrogation of prisoners. Court Interpreting : includes task like the certified translation of documents as well as interpreting in quasi-judicial and administrative hearings (Sign language interpreting where it normally takes place in educational settings (educational interpreting community interpreting or public Service interpreting (in the UK) and Cultural interpreting (in Canada) is where interpreting services are established to help immigrants function in the host society as it is an important intra-social communication need. Media interpreting or Broadcasting interpreting which is mainly focused on TV interpreting.This is obvious with sign Language interpreting or even in case of war crime tribunal 4 Bilateral interpreting or dialogue interpreting is where interpreting is modelled as ‘three-party interaction’ with a (bilingual ) interpreter assuming the pivotal mediating role between two (monolingual)client. Multilateral Communication Interpreting is as in conferences attended by delegates and representatives of various nations and institutions,mainly called Conference Interpreting Conference Interpreting (for national or international organisation) is the most prominent manifestation in our time 5 Interpreting is used as a generic term to indicate to the use of spokenlanguage in particular, but due to the emergence of the sign languageInterpreting, it is now used as spoken-language interpreting to bedistinguished from signed Language interpreting or ‘interpreting forthe deaf. (Signing could refer as well to (voice-to-sign interpreting’ orsign-to-sign interpreting ) as opposed ‘voicing’ or voice-overinterpreting’ (sign-to-voice interpreting A special modality is used in communication with the deafblind,who monitor a signed message, including finger spelling,by resting their hands on the signer’s hands tactileinterpreting 6 While no hard and fast line can be drawn between short consecutive (as usedin dialogue interpreting) and the ‘classic form’ of consecutive implying therendition of at least five to ten minutes of uninterrupted discourse,consecutive interpreting skills are usually taken to be synonymous with thelatter and thus closely linked to note-taking skills 7 It is preliminary exercises that command prime attention in introducing students to the crucial task demand of simultaneity, perceived as the skill of listening and speaking at the same time, by way of ‘dual-task’ exercises This involves a listening task in combination with a second, different task, such as simultaneously counting backwards or reading aloud A specific exercise in simultaneous verbal processing is shadowing, which is the immediate repetition of auditory input in the same language with either minimal delay (‘phoneme shadowing) or at greater lateness (‘phrase shadowing Much less controversial than shadowing have been preliminary exercises with a focus on content processing, such as simultaneous paraphrasing,shadowing tasks combined with cloze exercise, or simultaneous interpreting of well-known fairy tales Beyond the first stage of training designed to familiarize students with the technique of SI, it is important to emphasis the need to focus on the process rather than the product, to teach strategies particularly for coping with lexical and structural difficulties, and to create a training environment that is as close to real-life condition as possible 8 Based on translation studies, the discipline of interpreting studies,with theoretical sub domains based on a list of situational variable Varieties of interpreting (consecutive Vs simultaneous); the medium of interpreting (human, machine, computer aided interpreting); language combinations; culture combinations;area/institution interpreting (interpreting in court, in the media,etc..) text relations (text-type, degree of specialization , etc.); and partner relations (source-text producer Vs target-text addressee) eight dimensions could be adopted to map out the theoretical territory of interpreting studies (i.e. Domains and dimensions of interpreting Theory, Pochdonkey, 20011): Medium:human, machine,computer aided interpreting Setting: international(multilateral conference, int.Organization, media,court, police, health care, etc...) Mode: consecutive ,simultaneous whispered, sight Language(culture)Spoken→conference language →migrant language Discourse:speeches→debates→face-to face Participants:equal representatives↔individual vs.institutional representatives Interpreter:professional interpreter↔semi professional↔natural or lay man interpreter Problem:simultaneity ↔memory ↔quality ↔stress↔effect↔ role 9 a humanistic approach approach centred on processing-skill components and stages of expertise to curriculum foregrounds the personal and social aspects of instruction interaction and the process of socialising student into a ‘community of professional practice Thus concepts such as ‘situated cognition’ ‘reflective practice, and‘cognitive apprenticeship can be used to underpin a more student-oriented and interaction-oriented refinement of established interpreter training practices 10 -general entry requirements for training interpreters 1. Knowledge (of language and the world) 2. Cognitive skills ( relating to analysis, attention and memory) 3. Personality traits ( including stress tolerance and intellectual curiosity) == aptitude testing for training interpreters For conference interpreting, for example, traditional examination methods include holistic communicative task such as: • Bilingual or multilingual interview • Impromptu speech production • And oral summary rendition in another language Personality traits could be summarised as follows: § motivation and learning style § coping with physical as well as emotional stress. § the ability to grasp rapidly and to convey the meaning of spoken discourse doing well at Recall, Cloze and Error detection tests as well as ―subskills-based text of verbal fluency and comprehension A Screening procedure for training interpreters could be as follows; a five part written test for language proficiency and general knowledge, series of oral test, including written recall of a recorded passage, error detection and sight translation 11 There is a close relationship between globalization and interpreting studies. For international conference interpreting, itself an early example of a ‘global profession’, globalization is a mixed blessing. While the trend to carry out transaction in business, politics, arts, and science on a world-wide scale could be assumed to boost the role of interpreters in international communication, the spread of English as a lingua franca largely offsets this potential need. As much as the official language policy, and interpreting policy, of the EU will preserve Europe’s heritage as the heartland of multilateral conference interpreting, the spread of international English is likely to shrink the market for conference interpreters there as well 12 The most visible manifestation of ‘the technologizing of interpreting’,is to remote interpreting in international conference settings andvideoconferences Its effect on simultaneous interpreters’ working conditions and on theprofession in general will be a focus of research for years to come,with issues such as stress, visual access and psycho-social factorsrequiring particular attention In communication involving deaf and hearing-impaired people, the increasingavailability of audio-visual telecommunications equipment is likely to facilitate remoteinterpreting arrangement, whereas more efficient technologies for converting speech totext, and written input into spoken output, may favour the use of script-basedcommunication and make interpreters redundant In the long term, advanced prosthetic technology (cochlear implant) made available toorimposed on- deaf people may well make the community of signed-language userseven more heterogeneous, and the market for sign language interpreters morefragmented The role of technology tend to have strong repercussions on interpretertraining, including the need to introduce would-be interpreters to the efficientuse of state-of-the-art electronic equipment in and outside the booth; the needto prepare trainees for various types of remote interpreting arrangements; andthe deployment of digital training stations and web-based source-text archivesfor classroom instruction as well as self-study Furthermore, interpreting researchers will also benefit from theavailability of new equipment and tools to enhance the efficiency ofempirical data collection and analysis Fieldwork involving discourse data can rely on digital, and lessobtrusive, recording equipment and subsequent transcription will beaided by specialised software and speech recognition systems This will also enhance the feasibility of applying corpus-linguisticmethods to large corpora of source, target and parallel texts fromauthentic interpreted events 13 السؤال ما هي الخطوات التالية هو الأكثر أهمية في استكمال مشروع بحثي هنا أنا أخترت To have a ‘model’, or theory 14 هنا أكتبوا ايجابيات وسلبيات المنهج
	التعديل الأخير تم بواسطة منصور العبدالله ; 2018- 2- 5 الساعة 05:06 PM

2018- 2- 5	#3
ظل الحقيقة مُتميزة بالمستوى E7 الملف الشخصي: رقم العضوية : 248282 تاريخ التسجيل: Sun Dec 2015 العمر: 35 المشاركات: 1,690 الـجنــس : أنـثـى عدد الـنقـاط : 15824 مؤشر المستوى: 65 بيانات الطالب: الكلية: اداب الدراسة: غير طالب التخصص: English المستوى: خريج جامعي	رد: الترجمة التتابعية - احمد حليمة 1439 الترم الثاني ردود للدفعة السابقة على اسئلة الدكتور في المباشرة https://vb.ckfu.org/1061478676-post32.html & https://vb.ckfu.org/1061478770-post37.html & https://vb.ckfu.org/1061478779-post38.html & https://vb.ckfu.org/1061479361-post43.html & https://vb.ckfu.org/1061482962-post51.html

2018- 2- 5	#4
ظل الحقيقة مُتميزة بالمستوى E7 الملف الشخصي: رقم العضوية : 248282 تاريخ التسجيل: Sun Dec 2015 العمر: 35 المشاركات: 1,690 الـجنــس : أنـثـى عدد الـنقـاط : 15824 مؤشر المستوى: 65 بيانات الطالب: الكلية: اداب الدراسة: غير طالب التخصص: English المستوى: خريج جامعي	رد: الترجمة التتابعية - احمد حليمة 1439 الترم الثاني تجميع للاعوام السابقة (اسئلة) 6 نماذج https://up.top4top.net/downloadf-489l2j1y0-pdf.html بالتوفيق

2018- 2- 5	#5
أمنيات حنين أكـاديـمـي فـضـي الملف الشخصي: رقم العضوية : 132912 تاريخ التسجيل: Sun Jan 2013 المشاركات: 482 الـجنــس : أنـثـى عدد الـنقـاط : 5228 مؤشر المستوى: 55 بيانات الطالب: الكلية: كلية آداب الدراسة: انتساب التخصص: اللغه الانجليزيه المستوى: المستوى الثامن	رد: الترجمة التتابعية - احمد حليمة 1439 الترم الثاني مايتحمل لي لا ووورد ولا بدي اف كيف يفتح معي

2018- 2- 5	#6
منصور العبدالله أكـاديـمـي مـشـارك الملف الشخصي: رقم العضوية : 162833 تاريخ التسجيل: Mon Nov 2013 المشاركات: 3,711 الـجنــس : ذكــر عدد الـنقـاط : 35308 مؤشر المستوى: 115 بيانات الطالب: الكلية: اداب الدراسة: انتساب التخصص: English المستوى: خريج جامعي	رد: الترجمة التتابعية - احمد حليمة 1439 الترم الثاني ماشاءالله يا ظل الحقيقة مجهود يذكر فيشكر تقييمي لكِ

2018- 2- 5	#7
%حوور% أكـاديـمـي ذهـبـي الملف الشخصي: رقم العضوية : 222714 تاريخ التسجيل: Thu Feb 2015 المشاركات: 683 الـجنــس : أنـثـى عدد الـنقـاط : 101112 مؤشر المستوى: 145 بيانات الطالب: الكلية: الاداب الدراسة: انتساب التخصص: English المستوى: خريج جامعي	رد: الترجمة التتابعية - احمد حليمة 1439 الترم الثاني الله يجزاك خير فية غير هالملخص

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